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1. I saw this over at Knowledge is Power and I keep saying, islam must be destroyed with PREJUDICE before it kills us which it fully intends to do. My question is, why are the leaders of the free world doing nothing to protect their people from this savage cult which calls itself a religion? Do “We The People” have to lock and load and off mohammeds followers ourselves? If that is the case, I am so fucking ready.

   Comment by cuchieddie — March 27, 2008 @ 5:53 pm

2. Oh great another 9/11 nightmare tonight. Ugh.

   I am so pissed right now from watching that. Why are other people so indifferent to this?

   PS W you are right about that Miss Surry thing at Rachel’s site. The pink stripe is hitting that girl right at the hips. If it was at her waist and she word some Spanx I bet she’d look a tad better. At least she seems to be wearing a decent bra.

   Comment by Kathy Shaidle — March 27, 2008 @ 6:45 pm

3. You know, all religions are pretty much the same. And those crashing airplanes were taken out of context.

   Comment by BillyHW — March 27, 2008 @ 10:07 pm

4. So, I’ll just call myself “Muslimah” now instead of “Blue” which was pretty random to begin with.

   With that done, I have a question for Right Girl’s readers. I am Muslim, and I am sure that after viewing that movie you must be full of rage against Muslims/Islam. What would you like to say to me regarding my religion? Remember, I am Muslim. I am a Canadian. And I’m broke. So, spill all your anger, hatred, frustration out to me. I’d like to read.

   Comment by Muslimah — March 27, 2008 @ 10:12 pm

5. Wow, Muslimah, you surprise me. I thought for some reason you were a boy. Muslimah is female, correct? I guess I should have known by your better spelling that you weren’t some “angry Muslim male”.

   Anyway, yes, I think you’ll find a lot of anger, but I feel pretty safe in saying that a) the anger is no more or no less in us than it was after 9/11, and b) we’re not going to blow anything up. We don’t do things that way.

   I’m sure you and I will both have much more to say this afternoon, as the Religion of Perpetual Outrage finishes Friday prayers in the Middle East.

   RG

   Comment by Right Girl — March 28, 2008 @ 8:36 am

6. I think you should give up your false barbaric religion and convert to Christianity. As soon as possible.

   Comment by BillyHW — March 28, 2008 @ 8:50 am

7. Muslimah is a HRC plant fishing for grounds to lodge a complaint.

   Comment by INP — March 28, 2008 @ 9:17 am

8. I don’t care if Muslimah is the man in the moon - s/he has always been polite and reasonable, and is welcome here. Though yeah, that would explain the good spelling!

   RG

   Comment by Right Girl — March 28, 2008 @ 9:22 am

9. Good spelling? Maybe she was educated at a Christian school?

   Comment by BillyHW — March 28, 2008 @ 9:55 am

10. Why are you broke?

    Comment by Kathy Shaidle — March 28, 2008 @ 12:10 pm

11. I think she meant bankrupt, as in morally bankrupt. Most Muslims are.

    Comment by INP — March 28, 2008 @ 12:44 pm

12. It’s gone from liveleak. Cowards.

    But there’s a torrent on http://www.mininova.org

    http://www.samizdata.net/blog have also got a live link that works.

    Comment by David Davis — March 28, 2008 @ 3:35 pm

13. Well, Muslimah, The question is what do you think about Fitna, Islam, and the resulting terrorism by the violent hijackers of your religion?? Some of the world’s major problem with Muslims is their reluctance to speak out against the fanatics ie. those “hijackers” and the atrocities committed in the name of the religion of peace..When I hear your answer, I will be glad to tell you exactly what I think of you, being that you asked..

    Comment by Gail Randall — March 28, 2008 @ 4:56 pm

14. Oh, I thought I had made reference to my gender at some point, but I guess I didn’t. Yeah, I am a girl.

    I wasn’t planning to blow anything up or lodge any complaints; just wanted to know what people wanted to say to the “Devil” herself (bad joke?). I am broke because I’ve put myself through 5 years of University (5 years not because I failed, but because degree requirement was to work for 20 months) and I’m about 26 days away from being done undergrad and I am counting on tax-return money to pay rent for one more month, buy coffee and caraway seed rye bread. So, I am the regular kind of bankrupt. Also need to pay back OSAP money.

    I don’t plan to give up my religion, I do hope I can make some sort of positive change…no, that doesn’t involve bombing the “infidels” or anything like that. I did go through a GCSE schooling system and I like to read a lot, plus English isn’t my mother tongue and knowing spellings was important when I was still learning it.

    This has been fun. Thanks for the questions/comments.

    Comment by Muslimah — March 28, 2008 @ 9:18 pm

15. “Muslimah”, you sound like an intelligent person. Go pick up a copy of “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins. Or, if you’re in the GTA, I can let you borrow mine. It just might change your mind about a lot of things.

    Comment by Alex — March 28, 2008 @ 10:12 pm

16. Or she could read a *good* book.

    Comment by BillyHW — March 28, 2008 @ 11:18 pm

17. It’s on my reading list, but currently there’s too much school work + making the most of the last few days with friends to do much else. I have one leg in the GTA and the other in Waterloo.

    “Fitna” is provocative (as intended) and scary because the things shown in it are happening for real. Muslims all over are going to protest against it and in doing so do all kinds of crazy things which doesn’t help. I watched parts of it (time constraint) and I mostly just felt sad at the state of things. Not angry, not offended, just sad at the hopeless of the situation. To me it seems like a vicious cycle, Muslims react to what they believe is persecuting them (I am a part of “them” but I don’t think kidnapping “foreigner” or burning down KFCs is a great, then more provocation in any form comes along and then there’s more reaction to that…and it goes on. What started it? I don’t think I have an in-depth understanding of a lot of intertwined issues to answer that.

    Islam - I really do think it has been grotesquely twisted and much of it has been taken entirely out of context. Don’t bother quoting the verses from the Quran; I’ve seen them all before. My giant family is very Islamic and I’ve never been taught to hate anyone or be intolerant or force anyone into adopting my way of life. We’re not “moderate” Muslims, we’re “practising” Muslims and yet I think we don’t like all this Islam-related violence any more than you do. We are frustrated, though. As if every day challenges (family, money, school, job security, health)aren’t enough, we’re (esp the younger generation) constantly struggling to deal with such sentiments. Most “normal” Muslims also just feel helpless (we need more Muslims writing in newspapers, blogs, whatnot) and therefore just carry on without taking any action.

    Comment by Muslimah — March 28, 2008 @ 11:33 pm

18. Every set of beliefs produces its fanatics. Any one who is too stubborn to listen to any one else is dangerous. Their ignorance and narrow mindedness is dangerous, even more so when it is revealed through senseless violence. People can believe whatever the heck they want, but there’s no need to have the rest of the planet reflect their own beliefs (and this applies to every one and every authority trying to “police” something or the other).

    Also, there are Muslims speaking against this craziness, I don’t think those things get publicized because they don’t fly. I still don’t understand why the York students were not given an opportunity to respond to Steyn’s article (yes I know the publishers have the right to choose their content and all that jazz, but still, why not?).

    Violence is easy and highly destructive. It’s unfortunate (an understatement) that many so-called Muslims rely on it to fight for what they believe is right.

    Comment by Muslimah — March 28, 2008 @ 11:49 pm

19. Every set of beliefs produces its fanatics.

    I know what you mean. We Catholics have wacko fantatics like Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II. All Jesus, all the time.

    And you Muslims have Osamba bin Laden and Moqtada al-Sadr. Mohammed this, Mohammed that.

    It’s practically the same thing.

    Kind of like how Christians invented airplanes and Muslims invented crashing airplanes into buildings. And how Jesus healed a 9-year old girl, and Mohammed bedded a nine-year old girl.

    Two sides of the same exact coin.

    Comment by BillyHW — March 29, 2008 @ 12:04 am

20. “Or she could read a *good* book.”

    Like what? The Bible?

    I have no time for zealots, Bill, regardless of their religion.

    Muslimah: good comments. I think you’re wrong about about being twisted and taken out of context - the words in the Quaran are pretty black and white. The Christian Bible is, likewise, full of misogyny, murder, and mayhem - the difference being that Christianity has over hundreds of years managed to become more civilized, while Islam is still a very violent and controlling religion. I’m glad that your family is normal, and that you presumably attend a Mosque which doesn’t preach hatred and violence, but that does very little to offset the horrid situation in much of the middle-east, where a person can be executed for the horrible crime of being a homosexual or for daring to convert away from Islam. Or where a woman can be jailed and beaten for daring to have a cup of coffee with a male coworker.

    Also, if you take a look at this survey of American Muslims you might understand why I find your argument less-than-compelling.

    As for why the York students weren’t given the opportunity to respond, that’s easy: because they demanded it. If they had mailed in a polite and thoughtful letter to the editor, it would have probably been published. If they had asked nicely, they might even have been given some space for a small column. Instead they acted like a bunch of idiots, throwing a temper-tantrum and demanding to be heard. My response to anyone making such demands would have been simple: “Go f*** yourself”.

    I really enjoyed reading your thoughts, though. Do you have a blog of your own?

    Comment by Alex — March 29, 2008 @ 12:21 am

21. Muslimah from Gail.. I am male, in case you’re curious..Now you’ve written how you feel and what you think regarding the current topic, as I asked for in a previous post. My response: As most Muslims, its seems you, too, have taken the easy road. Your words are mostly plain vanilla, and most telling, they are accompanied with no action, thought of action, or attempt at action. You seem honestly dismayed by the violent events but you and your family are mostly going about life as tho the events are not your problem. Well, they are at least as much your problem as they are the rest of the free world’s problem, so as you choose to live in the free world with its obvious advantages such as education for females, to name one, you have an obligation to stand up for the free world with the rest of us in the face of this 6th century, camel dung tyranny. Your shirking that duty, along with the great majority of Muslims, is what links you to the Islamofacists causing the violence in the name of the “religion of peace” Breaking that link requires some effort on you part. Please excuse the vulgarity of the following note, but keeping your clitoris is another advantage of living in the free world. Now you may think that remark was uncalled for, but is goes directly to the depth of the depravity of the society which has arisen from your religion and it is absolutely beyond my ability to understand how you can sit idly by as these atrocities (beheading, stoning, amputation..etc..) are committed in your name….Muslimah

    Comment by Gail Randall — March 29, 2008 @ 11:59 am

22. Gail, thanks, super quick response for now: I was actually born and brought up in Pakistan, went through a Cambridge schooling system there, very glad to have my clitoris as I am sure all the other females in my giant family also are (that remark didn’t bother me at all), moved to Canada at 16, have an older sister who went to med school in Pakistan, mother did her masters in economics there 30 years ago….why all this personal info? Just to make the point that even in a country like Pakistan us Muslim females turned out just fine. Ending this quick note, one question at the risk of souding stupid, but what do you propose a Muslim like me (and many many like me) needs to do (please don’t advise to give up Islam)?

    Alex, no I don’t have a blog, I can hardly get my school work done as it is!

    Comment by Muslimah — March 29, 2008 @ 7:50 pm

23. You’re too busy hanging out here to get any schoolwork done!

    Well, as a fellow female, I’m, uh, glad you’ve got your clit. Don’t know what I’d do without mine.

    Muslimah, I know what I’d like you to do. I won’t say give up Islam, because it would be like bashing my head against a wall. But how about pushing back? Has your Imam ever said anything stupid? Did you challenge him? What about these gawdawful anti-semitic Apartheid Weeks on campus? How about pushing back? You were schooled in Pakistan - I know you must have been in a madrassa at some point. If you were a boy (I would not expect this of a girl), I would have wanted you to question and argue the points about pigs and apes, and about conquest and dhimmitude and jihad. But now that you’re in a safe country, I want you to do it here. Where you’re safe.

    And if you are ever threatened for it, I want you to tell me.

    RG

    PS - It’s earth hour… shouldn’t you have the computer off??

    Comment by Right Girl — March 29, 2008 @ 7:57 pm

24. If you won’t give up Islam, then I think you should go back to Pakistan.

    Comment by BillyHW — March 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm

25. How very Christian of you, Bill. I’m glad you’re taking Christ’s teachings to heart.

    Comment by Alex — March 29, 2008 @ 11:10 pm

26. Muslimah, Gail here….I probably don’t have the name correct, but Wafta Sulta or something like that gave a real argument to some Holy Imam on a Muslim T.V. show, Al Jazeera, which was video taped and played around the world on the internet…She stands up to the crazyness continually. And that other lady from Samalia who has written books and goes on shows around the world. Her Name is Ali something…she is well known and she is a politician from the Netherlands and even tho her life is constantly threatened, she speaks out forcefully. With your education you could perhaps follow their lead or maybe make a better “Fitna” movie exposing the evils and push for reforms in the Islam religion. I don’t begrudge you your religion, but even in your own words, it needs updating to real world humanism. Perhaps you could organize a political party to that end. And Right Girl has a few suggestions, also. And as she has pointed out, you must be careful. I fully realize the problem is nearly insurmountable, but it must be done from the inside by Muslims such as yourself and others like those I just spoke of..We (non-Muslims)on the outside cannot force it…If Islam cannot be reformed and If it cannot be accomplished by Muslims, for Muslims..a catastrophe is unavoidable because we freedom loving Americans will not submit…Many other freedom lovers around the world will not submit..It is not a matter of religion for many like myself, it is a matter of principle. Good Luck to you and I pray you find success…It won’t be pretty, otherwise….(enjoyed the chat)

    Comment by Gail Randall — March 30, 2008 @ 1:44 am

27. Alex, why don’t you go with her?

    Comment by BillyHW — March 30, 2008 @ 2:16 pm

28. Muslimah, Gail again, I hope you get back to read these comments. (not the stupid one) I just finished watching, Jihad, U.S.A. on Fox news and it is almost as if they were listening to our thread here, and the program went right to the point of our conversation. That Wafta Sultan, whose name I didn’t get right in previous post was a participant in the story….she is quite a woman and Muslim, and standing up to the fanatics. I hope you can find a way to watch this or look up a transcript. It just may become a calling for your life….As you will see, the west is beginning to awaken and as youthful as you appear to be, a waring intersection will probably happen in your lifetime. Not in mine. (70 yrs. old) To borrow a slogan from an American bear, “Only YOU can prevent forest fires” ….again ….good luck to you and those like you…

    Comment by Gail Randall — March 30, 2008 @ 3:16 pm

29. Well there’s two of us, Bill, and one of you, so I think the solution here is clear. You’re welcome to move to Vatican City, I’m sure you’ll be much more at home there. Send me a postcard, k?

    Comment by Alex — March 30, 2008 @ 6:34 pm

30. I’ve been studying, finals begin next week.

    Girl - I actually never went to ‘madrassah’ there. Neither did anyone in my family. We did go to school to learn a for apple etc and wrote a GCSE exam for Islamic Studies…apart from regular science/mathy stuff. The pigs and apes comment…I believe you’re referring to what the little girl was saying in the movie. Quite honestly, that’s just disgusting and unfair to the mold-able little child and if I personally heard someone teaching their kids that I won’t hesitate in telling them that they are idiots in having that sort of a mentality. Imams…the mosques I have been to and heard the Imams speak…I haven’t heard anyone hinting to the congregation to go out and kill the ‘infidels’. I did hear one imam present a very wrong factual information at some point…I think it had something to do with mosques in Switzerland…I went home and googled it up and indeed the imam was off. I admit I only shared the correct info with my family and we discussed how you can’t give wrong information to people who think you’re the all-knowing because it just creates more trouble. This other mosque had a weird Imam who liked to use strange TV show examples…it just didn’t make sense. We stopped going there and told other family members that the Imam was incompetent…no I didn’t go and question him (why, you will ask. I had to return to Waterloo and never returned to the mosque). People have walked out on that guy because really, he’s stupid and shouldn’t be an imam.

    I have been threatened here, by a bunch of white girls haha. In high school actually which was a while ago. I’ll have to relate the story later though. Also, I have heard Iman Hirsi Ali and Wafa Sultan before…for now I will just say that they have had terrible experiences which is always unfortunate. But I need to go back and listen to what they said…another job for later.

    BillyHW - Thanks for the suggestion. I really like the rye bread here, I think I will stay.

    Comment by Muslimah — April 3, 2008 @ 10:43 am

31. Just a shout out to Muslimah, who honestly made my day with her calm, reasonable open-mindedness. Really refreshing to hear I about Islam from such a practical, easy going source. And do read Ayaan Hirsi ali. Her story is hard to take but in the end t is one of the most uplifting books out there. All best Muslimah - stay safe and well and keep coming back here so we can hear how its going!

    Comment by Dixie — April 9, 2008 @ 11:10 pm

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