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	<title>Comments on: Um, Christianity already has free will</title>
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		<title>By: atheist rap makes Christian rock sound better &#187; Driving Christians underground? (Time Immortal)</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/29/um-christianity-already-has-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-1804</link>
		<dc:creator>atheist rap makes Christian rock sound better &#187; Driving Christians underground? (Time Immortal)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Alberta Human Rights Commission hasn&#8217;t quite gotten to that point, and so is not quite on par with e.g. the government of Iran. However, it should be noted that the lengths that the AHRC is demanding that Christians go to in order to distribute materials or host a teaching retreat certainly smacks of the various controls and pressures that the Soviet state exerted on the Russian churches. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Alberta Human Rights Commission hasn&#8217;t quite gotten to that point, and so is not quite on par with e.g. the government of Iran. However, it should be noted that the lengths that the AHRC is demanding that Christians go to in order to distribute materials or host a teaching retreat certainly smacks of the various controls and pressures that the Soviet state exerted on the Russian churches. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/29/um-christianity-already-has-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-1802</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing these Human Rights Commissions can take on cases that courts would toss out for being against "freedom". They appear to the modern-day Inquisitions of old Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing these Human Rights Commissions can take on cases that courts would toss out for being against &#8220;freedom&#8221;. They appear to the modern-day Inquisitions of old Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Steynian 183 &#171; Free Mark Steyn!</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/29/um-christianity-already-has-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-1798</link>
		<dc:creator>Steynian 183 &#171; Free Mark Steyn!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] GIRL ON THE RIGHT&#8211; Um, Christianity already has free will: &#8220;Stephen Boisson, Alberta Public Enemy #1 and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/29/um-christianity-already-has-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-1794</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, you don't understand my point. 

A verbatim transcipt of a conversation is a rendering of precisely what was said, word for word. The version of the conversation quoted in this post is paraphrased. It is not verbatim. It consists of the narrator's narrative summary and interpretation of what was said. You see the difference?

'Pardon us for our inclination to believe the version RightGirl posted."

That inclination surprises me not in the least. The narrator's version was clearly written to elicit exactly that response, as was Right Girl's decision to post those excerpts. I am simply pointing out the world of difference between:
- a paraphrased, edited narrative posted by an ideologue on an ideological site, and
- a transcript. 

"This seems to fall right in line with what we have come to expect from socialistsâ€¦..and communists, behavior. For some odd reason, religion scares the hell out of them. " 

Not really. Religion doesn't scare me, except when it seems to shut down folks' capacity for rational thought - I think abortion clinic bombers and Islamist suicide terrorists are equally nuts. 

Socialist Christians tend to view Christ as a proto-socialist, and I think there's at least as good an argument to made for that position, based on scripture, as for the position that he was a capitalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, you don&#8217;t understand my point. </p>
<p>A verbatim transcipt of a conversation is a rendering of precisely what was said, word for word. The version of the conversation quoted in this post is paraphrased. It is not verbatim. It consists of the narrator&#8217;s narrative summary and interpretation of what was said. You see the difference?</p>
<p>&#8216;Pardon us for our inclination to believe the version RightGirl posted.&#8221;</p>
<p>That inclination surprises me not in the least. The narrator&#8217;s version was clearly written to elicit exactly that response, as was Right Girl&#8217;s decision to post those excerpts. I am simply pointing out the world of difference between:<br />
- a paraphrased, edited narrative posted by an ideologue on an ideological site, and<br />
- a transcript. </p>
<p>&#8220;This seems to fall right in line with what we have come to expect from socialistsâ€¦..and communists, behavior. For some odd reason, religion scares the hell out of them. &#8221; </p>
<p>Not really. Religion doesn&#8217;t scare me, except when it seems to shut down folks&#8217; capacity for rational thought - I think abortion clinic bombers and Islamist suicide terrorists are equally nuts. </p>
<p>Socialist Christians tend to view Christ as a proto-socialist, and I think there&#8217;s at least as good an argument to made for that position, based on scripture, as for the position that he was a capitalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/29/um-christianity-already-has-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon us for our inclination to believe the version RightGirl posted, since this seems to fall right in line with what we have come to expect from socialists.....and communists, behavior.

For some odd reason, religion scares the hell out of them. They seem to view Christianity as a direct threat to their idealogy, and as history shows, they'd be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon us for our inclination to believe the version RightGirl posted, since this seems to fall right in line with what we have come to expect from socialists&#8230;..and communists, behavior.</p>
<p>For some odd reason, religion scares the hell out of them. They seem to view Christianity as a direct threat to their idealogy, and as history shows, they&#8217;d be right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/29/um-christianity-already-has-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-1792</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Balbulican, where to heck is the original conversation you say is being paraphrased? Why have you not provided a link or posted the actual part that supports your version of the interchange? 

One is left to believe you don't because it doesn't. We wait breathlessly for your further edification......expecting to die waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Balbulican, where to heck is the original conversation you say is being paraphrased? Why have you not provided a link or posted the actual part that supports your version of the interchange? </p>
<p>One is left to believe you don&#8217;t because it doesn&#8217;t. We wait breathlessly for your further edification&#8230;&#8230;expecting to die waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyHW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyHW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canada may not be the very worst country in the world, but it is definitely the lamest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada may not be the very worst country in the world, but it is definitely the lamest.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/29/um-christianity-already-has-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-1790</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christianity was founded on the principle of free will?  Well, sure, if by "free will" you mean "teaching young children that an invisible man in the sky will make them burn in agony for all of eternity unless they believe in him".  If that's your definition of free will, though, then you've got some serious issues.

On the other hand, I find the actions of the HRC here to be despicable.  If you want to be a bigoted prick, you should have that right without needing everyone around you to sign consent forms.  Ignorance should not be a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christianity was founded on the principle of free will?  Well, sure, if by &#8220;free will&#8221; you mean &#8220;teaching young children that an invisible man in the sky will make them burn in agony for all of eternity unless they believe in him&#8221;.  If that&#8217;s your definition of free will, though, then you&#8217;ve got some serious issues.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I find the actions of the HRC here to be despicable.  If you want to be a bigoted prick, you should have that right without needing everyone around you to sign consent forms.  Ignorance should not be a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: M@</title>
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		<dc:creator>M@</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christianity was founded on the principle of free will? Where on earth do you get that idea? What did Jesus ever say that could even remotely be construed as endorsing the free will of the individual?

Christians have always been big fans of people being free to do what they tell them. Maybe that's where you're getting confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christianity was founded on the principle of free will? Where on earth do you get that idea? What did Jesus ever say that could even remotely be construed as endorsing the free will of the individual?</p>
<p>Christians have always been big fans of people being free to do what they tell them. Maybe that&#8217;s where you&#8217;re getting confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; Canadian Human Rights Commission Seeks To Push Christian Teachings Underground</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/29/um-christianity-already-has-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-1786</link>
		<dc:creator>Webloggin - Blog Archive &#187; Canadian Human Rights Commission Seeks To Push Christian Teachings Underground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/29/um-christianity-already-has-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-1784</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This is absolutely terrifying, if you stop to think about it."

Unless, of course, you read the document in context. 

What you are citing is an ideologue, providing an edited, narrative account on an ideological website. It is not a transcript. It includes no commentary, response or rebuttal from the HRC person, who seems simply to have been responding sympathetically, and helpfully, to a fairly leading question: how do I make sure I'm ABSOLUTELY covered? 

It's great anti-HRC propaganda, but only if accept it as completly accurate, and read it with the intent of getting angry. Which is, of course, your goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is absolutely terrifying, if you stop to think about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unless, of course, you read the document in context. </p>
<p>What you are citing is an ideologue, providing an edited, narrative account on an ideological website. It is not a transcript. It includes no commentary, response or rebuttal from the HRC person, who seems simply to have been responding sympathetically, and helpfully, to a fairly leading question: how do I make sure I&#8217;m ABSOLUTELY covered? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s great anti-HRC propaganda, but only if accept it as completly accurate, and read it with the intent of getting angry. Which is, of course, your goal.</p>
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