Are children innocent, or not?
In the UK, a young boy aged just 13 years old became a father via his 15 year old girlfriend. Well, at least they think he’s the father. It could be one of the other six guys she was shagging.
To add insult to grievous injury, parents are now being told by leaders of Britain´s Department of Children, Schools and Family that they shouldn’t try to instill sexual values in their children. Instead they should “NOT tell their children what is ‘right or wrong’ about having sex,” but simply serve up information about methods of contraception.
It’s as if Britain has given up on its kids as kids. They are sexualized little adults now, running around the Isles humping and breeding like bunnies.
However, Britain’s shoulder shrugging where child sexuality is concerned isn’t consistent. And that’s what bugs me.
A 15-year-old schoolgirl earned almost £100,000 a year working as a high-class prostitute, it was revealed yesterday.
By day the teenager attended classes but at night she was regularly paid hundreds of pounds for sex.
The girl, who cannot be identified because of her age, is believed to have been working for an escort agency based in Newcastle.
She lied about her age before going on to earn £1,700 a week, meeting dozens of men on school nights and at the weekend.
Her double life was exposed in November when a suspicious teacher searched her schoolbag and found condoms, a card with the name of her pimp and details of the agency she worked for.
The school alerted police and officers later searched the £200,000 family home in South Tyneside, finding £8,060 in cash hidden in the loft, a court heard.
She obviously comes from a decent family, à la Amy Fisher. She keeps up with schoolwork and isn’t a bad child in the sense we know. But she’s underage - an innocent.
Most of you, my readers, know of my past in the sex industry. What you don’t know is that in my teen years, I was using that same entrepreneurial spirit to get what I wanted. It wasn’t cash, but there was definitely a barter system in place. I’ll give you this if you give me that. It’s actually how I passed math. I looked after my body and my sexual health, never got pregnant, never sat around popping out illegitimate brats in a council estate on the taxpayer dime.
So was I an innocent? Or was I sexualized at a young age? I think we all know the answer to that one.
So from an objective perspective, knowing what we know of the way Britain is encouraging its children to hump indiscriminately, what did this 15 year old girl do that was so bad? Was it that she didn’t get knocked up and collect welfare? Was it that she may not have been a victim at all? I sure wasn’t. She followed the rules: used condoms, kept up with her “real life”… the only thing she did wrong was to not depend on the state or cry victimhood.
Britain needs to decide whose side it’s on when it comes to kids and sex. Because right now, their message is more than a little mixed.
you could have had free cable in Jack Laytons affordable housing.
Hypocrisy or what.
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To answer your question yes I think our children are innocent. I also do not consider a 15 year old a child these days. I am 70 years old and even in my time when we were much more naive then the youth of today a 15 year old was not a child. I would guess that even the 13 year old boy she was with can hardly be called a child. I do not know when the big change happens but just from my own observations I would say that starting around 10 or 11 they are beginning to leave childhood behind and once they start it is a quick transition.
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Pingback by Marginalized Action Dinosaur » Sex with British youngsters is ok as long as they go on welfare and cry victim. — February 27, 2009 @ 9:05 am
The decent into savagery is a slow drumming march into degeneracy. Which latter enters into mass the killing stage when all Morality or love of life melts from the hearts of men & Women. To be replaced by the capricious cruelties of the Strong man.
History bears this out. You can see the phase in Mugabe land now.
To borrow from Arthur C. Clark. This is Childhoods End for us all.
Now we live in an era where man is machine. No volition, no purpose, but a chemical robot in a larger cell.
With this philosophical panorama how do they expect a Society to even want to survive let alone propagate this perverse view to others or even breed. This false premise could only be foisted on peoples so out of touch with the real, there now in the never never.
JMO
Comment by Revnant Dream — February 27, 2009 @ 4:39 pm
Children aren’t innocent. They are (and should be), however, restricted in what sort of activity they’re legally allowed to engage in. Can’t drive, can’t drink, can’t smoke (they can do drugs because if we legalized drugs then they’d be able to do… oops, there went the War on Drugs argument), can’t make pr0n, can’t have sex with adults, etc. This is because while they’re not innocent (who really was as a child, seriously?) they tend to have bad judgement due to lack of life experience. We can do our best to raise them and educate them, but complete protection of children is impossible, and undesirable - if kids don’t screw up, they don’t get the life experience that lets them get though the big problems they’ll face as adults.
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Pingback by Steynian 329 « Free Canuckistan! — February 27, 2009 @ 8:05 pm
Innocent? Yes, but at what age is innocence lost? Depends. Most of us remember the transition and mine was somewhat devestating but who knows for this girl? Seems when society does not have a standard, then it indeed does not have a balance point at which to determine which behaviour is classified how. Coming from one of her johns, I could only imagine his excited lustful reply while on the other hand comparing it to the teacher who turned her in, who quite honestly most probably thought the girl was being taken advantage of. While rich, the girl may have deprived herself of some of those special youthful memories in which love is discovered in all it’s intensities, and then again, she may well have a pragmatic outlook and no more miss those moments than we would think about blowing our nose. Most girls younger than her know the power of their beauty and bodies, and flex when required, but this is going a bit far, even for this day and age.
Comment by Dave — February 27, 2009 @ 11:41 pm
Innocence is a gift parents and society can give children. It is a matter of postponement of adult pleasures and adult responsibilities. Sometimes it works and, sometimes, it doesn’t. The 15 year old hooker or Traci Lords have figured out the basic fact that pretty and young is a commodity as well as a state of being.
Postponing that realization until a girl - or, in rare instances, a boy - is ready to deal with the reality that for a few years they can make what looks like big money from selling their beauty may help. But I suspect it won’t unless the child is embedded in a matrix of love and respect. It is astonishingly easy to lose that matrix to school peers, online games, tween facebook encounters and a deep sense of alienation. Children need to separate from their parents; how they negotiate that transition reflects how they have been raised.
I have nearly no time for state induced “self esteem”. However, I am entirely convinced that a child raised in a loving family where the values are lived rather than preached will tend to do better then a latchkey kid or a child raised by his or her peers.
That means, I’m afraid, Mum at home. Sorry to be a Nazi and all; but it is virtually impossible for a woman to engage in the vital work of child rearing and, at the same time, “work”. Which, in turn means “less”. Less house, less new stuff, less on the Visa card, movies from the library not the video store, lattes made by hand, designer clothes from thrifts and such like. (We have an awesome Playmobil collection: about ten pieces are store bought, the rest .10 on the dollar at thrifts, garage sales and on line. You can buy a lot used.) If Mum is at home she can “gather” and teach her kids thrift.
The enemy of innocence is the peer. Who told you Santa was fiction? Mum and Dad? A teacher? Well, no, it was the wise ass six year old in the school yard. Who gave you the straight gen about sex (albeit incorrectly in virtually every detail), Mum, Dad, teacher, counselor - nope, it was a slightly sexually mature girl or boy behind a bush at your school. And who suggested that you might sell the simple virtues of innocence and beauty? I suspect, at the outset, a girl a little older and a little less wise but very “street smart”.
We cannot encase innocence in amber but we can gently push back experience. My eight year old - home schooled - devises scientifically valid means of Santa delivering presents around the world. (Faster than light reindeer and you’re done.) He suspects that the Easter Bunny and faeries are “made up”. He is, for the moment, entirely unconvinced by God. But he is certain that Santa is as real as his cat. I’d like him to see one more Christmas with Santa intact. Because if he can keep his mind that open there is little doubt that the greater mystery of Our Lord will touch him.
Comment by Jay Currie — February 28, 2009 @ 1:57 am
Children are “innocent” whenever and for as long as it suits the purposes of politicians and the media who are trying to exploit that “innocence” to further their specific agenda(s).
Comment by Da Possum — March 1, 2009 @ 12:58 am
Innocence is an illusion. It, like a previous poster said, is the gift of not having to deal with adult decisions and responsibilities until later in life.
I was raised a latch key child in an unforunate situation. I woke up at 5AM every sunday and delivered over 200 newspapers every sunday. It was either that or go hungry. Once I was 16 I got my SIN card and worked 24 hours a week while in fulltime highschool. I still graduated highschool with excellent grades.
Would life have been easier if I was born into a wealthy 2 parent family with a large income. Sure it would have been. Would I have the same work ethic and belief that if you’re willing to work hard you can succeed. Probably not.
The problem these days is that we “baby” our children. Children can’t fail in grade school anymore. They are moved up to the next grade anyways. We are raising a generation of baby’s. Children need to learn that life is not easy. You will fail. You will get hurt. It’s how you react when you fail that makes you a success.
Way off topic from the original post. But couldn’t help myself after reading some of these comments.
Comment by Cameron — March 1, 2009 @ 5:39 am
I commented earlier on this post and normally after I make a comment I do not return to to see what others say I state my view and that is it. For what ever reason ?? I came back and read the comments again today. All I have to say is WOW. I am sure glad I did not grow up in a family with the attitude of the other commenters on this post. I surely hope that my comment was not read as negatively as I took the ones after mine.
Comment by Bob Devine — March 2, 2009 @ 5:07 am
We forget that the ‘innocence of childhood’ we have now is a fairly recent creation. Human living conditions have not always allowed the protracted ‘youth’ our children have today. That 15 year old girl was of marriageable age not too long ago and we should not forget that–while we have decided that there is a long ‘youth’ in which ‘innocent’ children can grow, our evolutionary imperatives have made no such decision.
Comment by Jack — March 6, 2009 @ 9:24 am