<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Are children innocent, or not?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/</link>
	<description>For girls with pearls... Since 2004</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-9152</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-9152</guid>
		<description>Children react the same way to adult situations when presented as adults do to childlike oppourtunites when presented. Just look at the hardend self-awareness in a ten-year old child in a war torn country and look at Hugh Hefner in his pjs surrounded by "bunnies".  "Childhood" is how you live and what is accepted. Most "geeks" never lose THEIR childhood. Think of the movie  The 40 yr old Virgin, or NBA owner Mark Cuban a multi-millionaire whose pad consist of serious video games and other "childhood" pursuits. The real enemy of childhood is EXTOVERSION.  You simply do not find this problem in introvert populations. But, of course it will be teased out of them by the popular "sassy" crowd who just can't wait to grow up only to spend the rest of their lives trying to reclaim their "innoncence".  People should really back off the introverts and maybe the "magic" would thrive a lot longer, possibly even for a lifetime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children react the same way to adult situations when presented as adults do to childlike oppourtunites when presented. Just look at the hardend self-awareness in a ten-year old child in a war torn country and look at Hugh Hefner in his pjs surrounded by &#8220;bunnies&#8221;.  &#8220;Childhood&#8221; is how you live and what is accepted. Most &#8220;geeks&#8221; never lose THEIR childhood. Think of the movie  The 40 yr old Virgin, or NBA owner Mark Cuban a multi-millionaire whose pad consist of serious video games and other &#8220;childhood&#8221; pursuits. The real enemy of childhood is EXTOVERSION.  You simply do not find this problem in introvert populations. But, of course it will be teased out of them by the popular &#8220;sassy&#8221; crowd who just can&#8217;t wait to grow up only to spend the rest of their lives trying to reclaim their &#8220;innoncence&#8221;.  People should really back off the introverts and maybe the &#8220;magic&#8221; would thrive a lot longer, possibly even for a lifetime!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-5040</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-5040</guid>
		<description>We forget that the 'innocence of childhood' we have now is a fairly recent creation. Human living conditions have not always allowed the protracted 'youth' our children have today. That 15 year old girl was of marriageable age not too long ago and we should not forget that--while we have decided that there is a long 'youth' in which 'innocent' children can grow, our evolutionary imperatives have made no such decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We forget that the &#8216;innocence of childhood&#8217; we have now is a fairly recent creation. Human living conditions have not always allowed the protracted &#8216;youth&#8217; our children have today. That 15 year old girl was of marriageable age not too long ago and we should not forget that&#8211;while we have decided that there is a long &#8216;youth&#8217; in which &#8216;innocent&#8217; children can grow, our evolutionary imperatives have made no such decision.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bob Devine</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4997</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4997</guid>
		<description>I commented earlier on this post and normally after I make a comment I do not return to to see what others say I state my view and that is it.  For what ever reason  ??  I came back and read the comments again today. All I have to say is  WOW.  I am sure glad I did not grow up in a family with the attitude of the other commenters on this post. I surely hope that my comment was not read as negatively as I took the ones after mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented earlier on this post and normally after I make a comment I do not return to to see what others say I state my view and that is it.  For what ever reason  ??  I came back and read the comments again today. All I have to say is  WOW.  I am sure glad I did not grow up in a family with the attitude of the other commenters on this post. I surely hope that my comment was not read as negatively as I took the ones after mine.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4991</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4991</guid>
		<description>Innocence is an illusion.  It, like a previous poster said, is the gift of not having to deal with adult decisions and responsibilities until later in life.  

I was raised a latch key child in an unforunate situation.  I woke up at 5AM every sunday and delivered over 200 newspapers every sunday.  It was either that or go hungry.  Once I was 16 I got my SIN card and worked 24 hours a week while in fulltime highschool.  I still graduated highschool with excellent grades.

Would life have been easier if I was born into a wealthy 2 parent family with a large income.  Sure it would have been.  Would I have the same work ethic and belief that if you're willing to work hard you can succeed.  Probably not.  

The problem these days is that we "baby" our children.  Children can't fail in grade school anymore.  They are moved up to the next grade anyways.  We are raising a generation of baby's.  Children need to learn that life is not easy.  You will fail.  You will get hurt.  It's how you react when you fail that makes you a success.

Way off topic from the original post.  But couldn't help myself after reading some of these comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innocence is an illusion.  It, like a previous poster said, is the gift of not having to deal with adult decisions and responsibilities until later in life.  </p>
<p>I was raised a latch key child in an unforunate situation.  I woke up at 5AM every sunday and delivered over 200 newspapers every sunday.  It was either that or go hungry.  Once I was 16 I got my SIN card and worked 24 hours a week while in fulltime highschool.  I still graduated highschool with excellent grades.</p>
<p>Would life have been easier if I was born into a wealthy 2 parent family with a large income.  Sure it would have been.  Would I have the same work ethic and belief that if you&#8217;re willing to work hard you can succeed.  Probably not.  </p>
<p>The problem these days is that we &#8220;baby&#8221; our children.  Children can&#8217;t fail in grade school anymore.  They are moved up to the next grade anyways.  We are raising a generation of baby&#8217;s.  Children need to learn that life is not easy.  You will fail.  You will get hurt.  It&#8217;s how you react when you fail that makes you a success.</p>
<p>Way off topic from the original post.  But couldn&#8217;t help myself after reading some of these comments.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Da Possum</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4989</link>
		<dc:creator>Da Possum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4989</guid>
		<description>Children are "innocent" whenever and for as long as it suits the purposes of politicians and the media who are trying to exploit that "innocence" to further their specific agenda(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children are &#8220;innocent&#8221; whenever and for as long as it suits the purposes of politicians and the media who are trying to exploit that &#8220;innocence&#8221; to further their specific agenda(s).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jay Currie</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4982</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Currie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4982</guid>
		<description>Innocence is a gift parents and society can give children. It is a matter of postponement of adult pleasures and adult responsibilities. Sometimes it works and, sometimes, it doesn't. The 15 year old hooker or Traci Lords have figured out the basic fact that pretty and young is a commodity as well as a state of being.

Postponing that realization until a girl - or, in rare instances, a boy - is ready to deal with the reality that for a few years they can make what looks like big money from selling their beauty may help. But I suspect it won't unless the child is embedded in a matrix of love and respect. It is astonishingly easy to lose that matrix to school peers, online games, tween facebook encounters and a deep sense of alienation. Children need to separate from their parents; how they negotiate that transition reflects how they have been raised.

I have nearly no time for state induced "self esteem". However, I am entirely convinced that a child raised in a loving family where the values are lived rather than preached will tend to do better then a latchkey kid or a child raised by his or her peers.

That means, I'm afraid, Mum at home. Sorry to be a Nazi and all; but it is virtually impossible for a woman to engage in the vital work of child rearing and, at the same time, "work". Which, in turn means "less". Less house, less new stuff, less on the Visa card, movies from the library not the video store, lattes made by hand, designer clothes from thrifts and such like. (We have an awesome Playmobil collection: about ten pieces are store bought, the rest .10 on the dollar at thrifts, garage sales and on line. You can buy a lot used.) If Mum is at home she can "gather" and teach her kids thrift. 

The enemy of innocence is the peer. Who told you Santa was fiction? Mum and Dad? A teacher? Well, no, it was the wise ass six year old in the school yard. Who gave you the straight gen about sex (albeit incorrectly in virtually every detail), Mum, Dad, teacher, counselor - nope, it was a slightly sexually mature girl or boy behind a bush at your school. And who suggested that you might sell the simple virtues of innocence and beauty? I suspect, at the outset, a girl a little older and a little less wise but very "street smart".

We cannot encase innocence in amber but we can gently push back experience. My eight year old - home schooled - devises scientifically valid means of Santa delivering presents around the world. (Faster than light reindeer and you're done.) He suspects that the Easter Bunny and faeries are "made up". He is, for the moment, entirely unconvinced by God. But he is certain that Santa is as real as his cat. I'd like him to see one more Christmas with Santa intact. Because if he can keep his mind that open there is little doubt that the greater mystery of Our Lord will touch him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innocence is a gift parents and society can give children. It is a matter of postponement of adult pleasures and adult responsibilities. Sometimes it works and, sometimes, it doesn&#8217;t. The 15 year old hooker or Traci Lords have figured out the basic fact that pretty and young is a commodity as well as a state of being.</p>
<p>Postponing that realization until a girl - or, in rare instances, a boy - is ready to deal with the reality that for a few years they can make what looks like big money from selling their beauty may help. But I suspect it won&#8217;t unless the child is embedded in a matrix of love and respect. It is astonishingly easy to lose that matrix to school peers, online games, tween facebook encounters and a deep sense of alienation. Children need to separate from their parents; how they negotiate that transition reflects how they have been raised.</p>
<p>I have nearly no time for state induced &#8220;self esteem&#8221;. However, I am entirely convinced that a child raised in a loving family where the values are lived rather than preached will tend to do better then a latchkey kid or a child raised by his or her peers.</p>
<p>That means, I&#8217;m afraid, Mum at home. Sorry to be a Nazi and all; but it is virtually impossible for a woman to engage in the vital work of child rearing and, at the same time, &#8220;work&#8221;. Which, in turn means &#8220;less&#8221;. Less house, less new stuff, less on the Visa card, movies from the library not the video store, lattes made by hand, designer clothes from thrifts and such like. (We have an awesome Playmobil collection: about ten pieces are store bought, the rest .10 on the dollar at thrifts, garage sales and on line. You can buy a lot used.) If Mum is at home she can &#8220;gather&#8221; and teach her kids thrift. </p>
<p>The enemy of innocence is the peer. Who told you Santa was fiction? Mum and Dad? A teacher? Well, no, it was the wise ass six year old in the school yard. Who gave you the straight gen about sex (albeit incorrectly in virtually every detail), Mum, Dad, teacher, counselor - nope, it was a slightly sexually mature girl or boy behind a bush at your school. And who suggested that you might sell the simple virtues of innocence and beauty? I suspect, at the outset, a girl a little older and a little less wise but very &#8220;street smart&#8221;.</p>
<p>We cannot encase innocence in amber but we can gently push back experience. My eight year old - home schooled - devises scientifically valid means of Santa delivering presents around the world. (Faster than light reindeer and you&#8217;re done.) He suspects that the Easter Bunny and faeries are &#8220;made up&#8221;. He is, for the moment, entirely unconvinced by God. But he is certain that Santa is as real as his cat. I&#8217;d like him to see one more Christmas with Santa intact. Because if he can keep his mind that open there is little doubt that the greater mystery of Our Lord will touch him.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4979</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4979</guid>
		<description>Innocent? Yes, but at what age is innocence lost? Depends. Most of us remember the transition and mine was somewhat devestating but who knows for this girl? Seems when society does not have a standard, then it indeed does not have a balance point at which to determine which behaviour is classified how. Coming from one of her johns, I could only imagine his excited lustful reply while on the other hand comparing it to the teacher who turned her in, who quite honestly most probably thought the girl was being taken advantage of. While rich, the girl may have deprived herself of some of those special youthful memories in which love is discovered in all it's intensities, and then again, she may well have a pragmatic outlook and no more miss those moments than we would think about blowing our nose. Most girls younger than her know the power of their beauty and bodies, and flex when required, but this is going a bit far, even for this day and age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innocent? Yes, but at what age is innocence lost? Depends. Most of us remember the transition and mine was somewhat devestating but who knows for this girl? Seems when society does not have a standard, then it indeed does not have a balance point at which to determine which behaviour is classified how. Coming from one of her johns, I could only imagine his excited lustful reply while on the other hand comparing it to the teacher who turned her in, who quite honestly most probably thought the girl was being taken advantage of. While rich, the girl may have deprived herself of some of those special youthful memories in which love is discovered in all it&#8217;s intensities, and then again, she may well have a pragmatic outlook and no more miss those moments than we would think about blowing our nose. Most girls younger than her know the power of their beauty and bodies, and flex when required, but this is going a bit far, even for this day and age.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steynian 329 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4978</link>
		<dc:creator>Steynian 329 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4978</guid>
		<description>[...] FUN WITH BRITISH BARBARIANS: Are children innocent, or not? &#8230;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] FUN WITH BRITISH BARBARIANS: Are children innocent, or not? &#8230;. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: EvilRedScandi</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4976</link>
		<dc:creator>EvilRedScandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4976</guid>
		<description>Children aren't innocent. They are (and should be), however, restricted in what sort of activity they're legally allowed to engage in. Can't drive, can't drink, can't smoke (they can do drugs because if we legalized drugs then they'd be able to do... oops, there went the War on Drugs argument), can't make pr0n, can't have sex with adults, etc. This is because while they're not innocent (who really was as a child, seriously?) they tend to have bad judgement due to lack of life experience. We can do our best to raise them and educate them, but complete protection of children is impossible, and undesirable - if kids don't screw up, they don't get the life experience that lets them get though the big problems they'll face as adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children aren&#8217;t innocent. They are (and should be), however, restricted in what sort of activity they&#8217;re legally allowed to engage in. Can&#8217;t drive, can&#8217;t drink, can&#8217;t smoke (they can do drugs because if we legalized drugs then they&#8217;d be able to do&#8230; oops, there went the War on Drugs argument), can&#8217;t make pr0n, can&#8217;t have sex with adults, etc. This is because while they&#8217;re not innocent (who really was as a child, seriously?) they tend to have bad judgement due to lack of life experience. We can do our best to raise them and educate them, but complete protection of children is impossible, and undesirable - if kids don&#8217;t screw up, they don&#8217;t get the life experience that lets them get though the big problems they&#8217;ll face as adults.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Revnant Dream</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4975</link>
		<dc:creator>Revnant Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4975</guid>
		<description>The decent into savagery is a slow drumming march into degeneracy. Which latter enters into mass the killing stage when all Morality or love of life melts from the hearts of men &amp; Women. To be replaced by the capricious cruelties of the Strong man.
History bears this out. You can see the phase in Mugabe land now.
To borrow from Arthur C. Clark. This is Childhoods End for us all.
Now we live in an era where man is machine. No volition, no purpose, but a chemical robot in a larger cell.
With this philosophical panorama how do they expect a Society to even want to survive let alone propagate this perverse view to others or even breed. This false premise could only be foisted on peoples so out of touch with the real, there now in the never never.
JMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The decent into savagery is a slow drumming march into degeneracy. Which latter enters into mass the killing stage when all Morality or love of life melts from the hearts of men &amp; Women. To be replaced by the capricious cruelties of the Strong man.<br />
History bears this out. You can see the phase in Mugabe land now.<br />
To borrow from Arthur C. Clark. This is Childhoods End for us all.<br />
Now we live in an era where man is machine. No volition, no purpose, but a chemical robot in a larger cell.<br />
With this philosophical panorama how do they expect a Society to even want to survive let alone propagate this perverse view to others or even breed. This false premise could only be foisted on peoples so out of touch with the real, there now in the never never.<br />
JMO</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marginalized Action Dinosaur &#187; Sex with British youngsters is ok as long as they go on welfare and cry victim.</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4973</link>
		<dc:creator>Marginalized Action Dinosaur &#187; Sex with British youngsters is ok as long as they go on welfare and cry victim.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4973</guid>
		<description>[...] http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/   &#160;  Commenters who threaten anyone while here because they are not smart enough to come up with a better answer will have some due diligence done on them. Foul mouthed lefty posters beware. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/" rel="nofollow">http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/</a>   &nbsp;  Commenters who threaten anyone while here because they are not smart enough to come up with a better answer will have some due diligence done on them. Foul mouthed lefty posters beware. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bob Devine</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4970</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4970</guid>
		<description>To answer your question yes I think our children are innocent.  I also do not consider a 15 year old a child these days. I am 70 years old and even in my time when we were much more naive then the youth of today a 15 year old was not a child. I would guess that even the 13 year old boy she was with  can hardly be called a child.  I do not know when the big change happens but just from my own observations I would say that starting around 10 or 11  they are beginning to leave childhood behind and once they start it is a quick transition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your question yes I think our children are innocent.  I also do not consider a 15 year old a child these days. I am 70 years old and even in my time when we were much more naive then the youth of today a 15 year old was not a child. I would guess that even the 13 year old boy she was with  can hardly be called a child.  I do not know when the big change happens but just from my own observations I would say that starting around 10 or 11  they are beginning to leave childhood behind and once they start it is a quick transition.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Webloggin &#187; Are Children Innocent, Or Not?</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4966</link>
		<dc:creator>Webloggin &#187; Are Children Innocent, Or Not?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4966</guid>
		<description>[...] the rest at Girl On The Right)   Share This Article With [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the rest at Girl On The Right)   Share This Article With [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dinosaur</title>
		<link>http://girlontheright.com/2009/02/26/are-children-innocent-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4965</link>
		<dc:creator>dinosaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://girlontheright.com/?p=2900#comment-4965</guid>
		<description>you could have had free cable in Jack Laytons affordable housing.

Hypocrisy or what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you could have had free cable in Jack Laytons affordable housing.</p>
<p>Hypocrisy or what.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
